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laura · Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:02 pm Post subject:

Hehe, she's found God already? I expected that'd take at least 10 days.
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laura · Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:42 pm Post subject:

Fructooligosaccharides is a word.
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Ben · Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:12 pm Post subject:

dude, laura, you keep bitching about people arguing against something that you're not saying...

first, just because you started the topic doesn't mean that it can't drift off into related areas.

second, the one thing you're arguing, you still haven't provided anything to back it up. it's hard to debate something without presenting actual facts. and what some random person on digg said doesn't qualify.
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Ben · Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:32 pm Post subject:

anyway, here's my opinion on the whole matter...

let's say that she did receive a harsher punishment than most other people convicted of the same offenses. so what? i don't think the punishment was excessive for what she did, and in my book, there's nothing wrong with forcing her to actually serve her full sentence.

if the judge's actions were because she's a celebrity, wah wah. celebrities get plenty of preferential treatment on a daily basis, so if in one instance, one of them gets worse treatment, it's not the end of the world, and it's not the end of our judicial system as we know it.
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Rob Gonsalves · HBS Monkey Joined: 19 May 2006 Posts: 2024

The one thing nobody has asked:

What the fuck is she doing driving, anyway? Doesn't she have a chauffeur or something to go get her when she's drunk? It's not like she has to drive with a suspended license because she has, y'know, a job. And no chauffeur.
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laura · Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:50 pm Post subject:

I don't mind debating about a number of issues. I love to argue, you all know this. And none of my frustration has come from people disagreeing with me... it's come from people completely misrepresenting my argument.

People have been posing this to me: "Doesn't she deserve to go to jail? After all, she's offensive." Etc. When I NEVER ONCE SAID WHAT I THINK SHE DESERVES, in a moral sense. So, okay, fine... but whenever I tried to revert back to my original point, no one seemed to follow my line of reasoning and instead just kept arguing at me about something I never even had an opinion about. How can you disagree with my opinion, if you don't even seem to understand what my opinion is??? Did you even read the original article? Jesus.

Do I have to spell this out?? Egads! I didn't think Paris Hilton could obscure people's logic like this!

this

is

what

is

causing

me

to

get

super

annoyed

And I'm not "wah wah"-ing about Paris Hilton. I don't feel sorry for her, I think this experience actually might be a good thing for her. As for what I think a fair sentence should be, I've YET to chime in on that!!!!

Moreover, I didn't think the Digg quote was some amazing source, I just thought it was well said.

And whether or not you think the Sheriff's quotes are strong enough data or not, the point is still that people were saying she got favorable treatment, when there was NO EVIDENCE to say this to be the case, (and in fact I think plenty of argument to say the exact opposite).. this resulted from horrible reporting and a reactionary public that likes to throw stones at the rich and famous. (As I do with my blog, haha.)
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Ben · Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:04 pm Post subject:

laura · Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:18 pm Post subject:

I guess I'm saying the logic of her prison stay being favorable or not favorable.

And Ben, the burden of proof is on you. If one's gonna say she was given favorable treatment, they have to prove it. (And no one has in my opinion.)
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UDM · Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 6:27 pm Post subject:

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Ben · Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:13 pm Post subject:

Ben · Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:14 pm Post subject:

f*r*o*s*t*y · Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:29 pm Post subject:

laura · Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:36 pm Post subject:

Everybody and their dog has been whining about how Paris is getting this favorable treatment, just turn on CNN in 30 minutes to see more of that. And what this thread has revealed, is that the only evidence to cry foul, is she was put in isolation just like any other high profile person. That's the best you got? If you respond with more evidence to that effect, GREAT, you're FINALLY RESPONDING IN A LOGICAL WAY.

I think it's amazing people can bitch and moan based on an assumption that's baseless and possibly wrong. My whole opinion stemmed from a bigger observation, not necessarily on Paris' case; I think it's interesting how reactionary people can be.

Ben, maybe you weren't trying to prove anything, but everybody else has been making assumptions left and right because it's the convenient thing to do. All I did was point this out.

And I'm sorry Rob, but maybe if people actually addressed what I was saying originally, I wouldn't implode. It makes me feel like I'm talking to a wall. Whether or not Paris is a bad person and would benefit from jail time is an entirely different issue than whether or not she almost got out of jail because she's a celebrity. But okay, oversimplify the issue and make me look like some Paris apologist.

Logic of prison stay was too general a way to put it. I was thinking more of the perspective of the regular Joe who's trying to determine if she got the "celebrity treatment."

And Frosty -- all your points are good and you're actually one of two (you and Ben) who truly responded to my argument instead of just ignoring it. Maybe it was special treatment? But you'd have to say that he's given special treatment for every other person he let out after 10% of their stay. That's my point. So it's not an issue of celebrity, it's an issue of the sheriff and overcrowding and a LONG, historical problem with the sheriff re-sentencing... Paris might be highlighting it, but she's not the reason for it.

If you don't care about this, fine. Say you don't care. But don't jump down my throat.
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Rob Gonsalves · HBS Monkey Joined: 19 May 2006 Posts: 2024

In September 2006, Hilton was arrested and charged with driving under the influence with a blood alcohol content of 0.08%, the minimum at which it is illegal to drive in California. Hilton's drivers license was subsequently suspended in November 2006, and in January 2007 she pled no contest to the alcohol-related reckless driving charge. Her punishment was 36 months' probation and fines of about $1,500.

On January 15, 2007, Hilton was pulled over for driving with a suspended license and signed a document acknowledging that she was not permitted to drive. On February 27, 2007 Hilton was caught driving 70 MPH in a 35 MPH zone, again with a suspended license. She also did not have her headlights on even though it was after dark. Prosecutors in the office of the Los Angeles City Attorney charged that those actions, along with the failure to enroll in a court-ordered alcohol education program constituted a violation of the terms of her probation.
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laura · Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:42 pm Post subject:

You're welcome again for livening up these boards. But I'm kind of thinking it wasn't worth it. Sigh.

I give up. And I don't mean just about Paris. Forums suck nowadays.
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Kand El · Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:15 pm Post subject:

Well with everybody doing their thang on LiveJournal or MySpace or whatever other internet cafeteria table people are setting up, why bother with poor ol' forums anymore? Now people can ramble to their heart's content without worrying about the other folks in the room. I'm surprised it hasn't hit these forums even harder!

As it stands, this is still one of my favorite places to visit, even if responses are delayed to nonexistent- and maybe that's because nobody's felt things are worth responding to also (and that's not just about your post Laura, I'm sayin' in general). But hey, if its too lame for ya kitten, well, sorry we're so damn borin'!

I will say this, this particular thread's been plenty fun- if Ben and Rob keep it up, the next video journal from Laura might just be her head exploding Scanners style! AWESOME!

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It's not right!!!! MOM!!!!!!!
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Kand El · Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:22 pm Post subject:

cue Ted Levine: "WAAAAAAAAAAAAH!" WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

David Cornelius · Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:26 pm Post subject:

I don't think anyone ever should "cue Ted Levine."

Unless it wants the hose again.

laura · Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:27 pm Post subject:

Wow, no one's ever turned against me like this before. Not even Ozzers. Now I'm just some crybaby. Didn't realize that's what you guys thought of me. I'll never try to defend logical arguments again.

Well fuck you too.

Whether you're mocking Paris or me. Pleh.

Done.
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TheAngryJew · Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:34 pm Post subject:

Frankly I think Laura is to be commended for taking the other route. It's easy for us to bitch about how much we detest PH, but Laura's taking the road less traveled here.

Her point is that, while we believe Hilton got special treatment, the opposite is actually true. That her fame was actually a roadblock and now she's being made an example of. If it were ANY other celebrity, a lot of us might be saying "Hmm, good point, Laura."
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laura · Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 8:35 pm Post subject:

My point is that people don't care about the truth when it's related to the case of someone they don't like, for example a spoiled celebrity. And I'm glad people think that point is so trivial so as to completely stomp on it and then patronize me after doing so. If I had to use any more evidence to express this aforementioned point... well I'd just link to this thread.
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UDM · Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:09 pm Post subject: